16th February 2023 Update:
Below is the report of a meeting with Jose Acosta, consultant, regarding the MLN Sewerage Project for MLN - We thank David Gibson for the report below
Attendees:
Notes based upon David Gibson´s mail to owners with Septic Tanks
The meeting was to determine whether JA could assist and advise MLN in relation to the sewerage and water projects currently underway, especially so in relation to those owners with Septic Tanks, and those owners without sewerage infrastructure.
AC (Pepe) clearly has many years of experience working on sewerage and water systems here on the Costa, and seems to be a person who can assist us.
The meeting was really an introduction for him to us and vice versa, so the many questions we have compiled for Acosol, our water and sewerage provider, have been put to one side for now, although AC did take a Spanish copy with him.
It was agreed that he will provide a written quote to the MLN Community in relation to how he can help us. Then, assuming the Community comes to an agreement with him, he will attend the planned meeting with Acosol and Fernando from the Mijas Town Hall Planning Department, where we will ask Acosol to address our questions.
AC will then attend future meetings with the Town Hall and Acosol, as well as provide us with his advice.
AC is already acquainted with the key people at Acosol and the Town Hall, in fact he worked on behalf of Marbella council and Acosol at a similar urbanisation to MLN, so this should be a significant help.
The key point that AC made was that every situation is different, thus until he has reviewed the situation in full, it is very difficult for him to advise us properly. That said, those attending agreed that AC provided much needed reassurance.
David Gibson´s analogy for the situation is that we, the patient, have seen the Consultant/doctor, who has now told us that he needs to complete a number of tests, before he can give us his initial opinion on our condition.
6th February 2023 Update:
Below is the report of a meeting with Jean-Pierre, President of the Hacienda, de las Chappas urbanisation regarding the MLN Sewerage Project for MLN - We thank Steve Desson for the report below.
Attendees:
On Tuesday 6th February 2023 SD met with JP at the community office of the Hacienda de las Chapas urbanisation. The remit of the meeting was to determine the similarities/differences between the two urbanisations in respect of the ongoing Sewerage Projects in both locations.
Similarities:
Differences:
From the discussion with JP and a subsequent drive around both HLC and another urbanisation (Urb El Rosario) (ER), it was clear that the projects in both HLC and ER differ significantly in that the core infrastructure needs to be installed throughout their urbanisations, and WITHIN, their boundaries, as opposed to MLN, where this work is predominantly external.
Due to the above, the €2 Million budget for HLC required a contribution. This was split by €1.5m from Acosol/Marbella council and €500,000 from HLC - this was paid from their reserve fund.
It should be said that HLC actively requested their sewerage installation.
Further discussion with JP regarding mandatory connection confirmed our understanding that connection is mandatory. JP explained that he has been involved with the sewerage infrastructure within urbanisations for many years and it relates to an EU directive passed in 1990. Following the meeting I have checked online and uncovered that Spain has already been fined €12m for non-compliance, with a second fine of €46.5m imminent and a potential daily fine of €171,217 proposed. This is, in large part, due to Spain’s resistance to remove septic tanks from use, many of which are stated as being in Andalucia.
JP advised speaking to two individuals who could help MLN with their installation:
JP shared the work that Acosol provided which included a comprehensive survey of each house, running to some 1,000 pages, together with a detailed map showing connection points for each house. The cost was met within the €2m budget, no survey costs were levied.
JP also shared the work Jose did, which was based upon two previous surveys that HLC commissioned, one in 2001 and another in the mid-80’s, from recollection. This work took two months but may be longer as we have no previous surveys to refer to.
When asked, JP stated that the connections from the properties to the infrastructure were being financed by each individual owner. Connections, depending on complexity, vary considerably due to the differing property sizes and distance from the connection point. It should be said that properties on HLC are substantially larger than on MLN. House prices on HLC can exceed €14 million.
Addressing potential costs for water connection (HLC is not currently connected to Acosol) JP agreed that nothing can be determined until MLN has met with Acosol. For HLC, Acosol has stated “if we don’t provide your sewerage, you don’t get our water” IE: it is mandatory, so just a point to consider in regards to Acosol’s stance. One final point is that JP advised that he, as President of HLC, was potentially signing the contract that agreed the proposed works within HLC today (07/02). I would assume that Mijas Town Hall would require the same from MLN, hopefully providing us with an element of control over the proposed work in MLN, however, that remains to be seen. JP also advised, this is the third postponement of the contract signing. —----------------------------------------
I believe my discussion with Jean-Pierre was hugely beneficial and added a considerable amount of ‘skin to the bones’ of what we currently know.
24th January 2023 Update:
Below is the report of a meeting with Mijas Town Hall regarding the MLN Sewerage Project for MLN - We thank Adrian Pettitt for the report below.
Attendees:
The purpose of the meeting was to gain understanding of the progress of the Sewerage Project currently underway at MLN. Updates from the Town Hall Planning Department in 2022 had advised that no progress had been made, other than what we had been previously told, however, there was some nervousness amongst owners, especially those with septic tanks and those owners without sewerage infrastructure. Below is the information we learnt.
SEWERAGE
WATER
19th July 2022 Update:
Below is the report of a Meeting with Mijas Town hall regarding ‘Main Drainage’ for Mijas La Nueva. We thank Adrian Pettitt for the report below.
Meeting with Fernando Jimenez, Head of Infrastructure and building works department 19th July 2022 @ Mijas Town Hall
Present:- Fernando Jimenez, Antonio Marquez, Steve Desson, and Adrian Pettitt
Subject:- Major Sewerage Works MLN
July 1st 2022 Update:
The committee are actively trying to arrange a meeting with Acosol, along with a further meeting with Fernando Jimenez, the Chief Planning Officer of Mijas Town Hall.
January 20th 2022 Update:
Below is the report of a Meeting with Mijas Town hall regarding ‘Main Drainage’ for Mijas La Nueva. We thank David Gibson for this report that was published by the 2021 committee on January 20th 2022.
The meeting was attended by the The President, Vice President, Treasurer and Administrator of Mijas La Nueva (2021 Committee) met with Fernando Jimenez (FJ) the Chief Planning Officer of Mijas Town Hall at 9am on the 11th January 2022 to discuss the Mijas La Nueva (MLN) ‘Sanitation connection works’ (Main Drainage).
FJ informed us that there are in fact two projects that are required to be completed before MLN community will benefit from Main Drainage. These are the Mijas La Nueva and the La Alqueria projects.
The MLN project has been approved by the Junta de Andalucia (Road and Environmental department). Diputacion de Malaga has already transferred to the Town Hall the necessary funds for the project (€500,000).
FJ told us that there will be no cost in relation to the MLN project for the Community. The next step is for the project to go out too tender for the works, which will happen in the first quarter of this year.
The plan for the project is set out below:
FJ informed us that the La Alqueria project hadn’t yet been fully approved (waiting the approval from Fomento Ministry which belongs to the National Government as it is required to cross the toll Highway) and as a result no monies had been received by the Town Hall.
FJ did however say that he believed that the approval would be received in the first quarter of 2022. FJ said that no work would be done on the projects until everything had been approved and all funds had been received.
FJ said that once work was begun it would proceed quickly as the work would be started in several places at once and then linked up.
FJ told us that he expected the projects to be started in 6 to 8 months and that the work would be completed by August 2023.
FJ told us that the MLN project will be connected to the existing sewage system and pipes, thus those owners with Septic Tanks will not benefit from the connection without further work.
FJ suggested that MLN ask Acosol to provide funding for the connections to those houses not already connected to the sewage system.
FJ said the request should be sent to him and that he would assist MLN.
To help with this FJ agreed to provide the Administrator with a copy of the Town Hall plans in relation to the existing sewage system.
FJ confirmed that owners with Septic Tanks would be responsible to provide a sewage pipe to their property boundary, to allow connection to the main sewage system. Note It isn’t clear at this time what costs MLN will be responsible for in relation to decommissioning/changing the existing sewage system.
The Vice President asked about how this would affect the situation with Building licences, which are currently blocked, due to the lack of main drainage. FJ said that once the La Alqueria project was approved, then those houses which are connected to the existing sewage system should be able to apply for their building licences in the normal way. However for those properties that aren’t connected to the existing sewage system the situation is likely to remain problematic until the properties are connected to the main drainage.
The meeting finished at 10am.
The meeting with the Chief Planning Officer was discussed at the Committee meeting on the 15 January 2022. At this meeting it was agreed to follow up with FJ on how we can obtain funding from Acosol to provide the sewage connections to those houses not already connected to the MLN sewage system.